This application is Clan Quest's fourth application for a Guild, and if accepted would create the clan's fourth Guild and result in the inclusion of 0 new Clan Members being added to the existing ~750 Membership-At-Large. The founders of this Guild posted their application on the forum thread found here. For questions relevant to this proposed Guild and its application, please contact the applying founders via the previously referenced forum thread or by directly contacting those founders who are already Clan Members.
A link to the Guild's focus interest can he found here.
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|Name of Proposed Guild?:||Runescape 3 Ironman Guild|
|Focus Interest/Game?:||Ironman accounts in runescape 3|
|Founding Members (Please list each on separate lines)?
Are all five of these members registered with ClanQuest.org?:
|Who are the three Guild Councilors (Please list each on separate lines)?:||Shiro Shana|
|Who is/are the Honor Councilor(s)?:||Derparnieux|
|Do you have a Guild Bank? If yes, please provide photo evidence. If no, why not?:||No; Iron men cannot trade, so there is no option for inter-player trade or use of a bank.|
|Additional information relevant to Guild's application?:||Need:
Creating a new hub for ironmen allows us to help each other more easily and attract other ironmen to play with. Group pvm is a big issue for ironmen and therefore attracting new ironmen can be really helpful in this regard. We can still hang around in the main chat as guests or via our main accounts, but the separate clan channel allows us to meet an ironman account need that is not as easily fulfilled using just cc Clan Quest.
While we recognize that some people in the existing RS3 guild might not necessarily see a need to separate the two groups into separate clan chats, this is something asked for by the people listed as our founding members, as well as additional members down below. We would prefer our own guild.
Administration: Here are a few points to consider in support of the guild, and about its operation generally.
Recruitment can be done in a similar way as is done in the main rs3 guild. Because ironman accounts often have a main account associated with them, there is a potential that ironman accounts joining this new group will attract new people into the main clan as well. We also have the potential to recruit ironman accounts from mains affiliated with non Clan Quest clans, increasing the clan’s (if not rs3 guild’s) total membership.
Management of our new guild should be relatively similar to the operation of RS3’s management. We likely won’t have a quest cape requirement to join the Guild Council, but we will still maintain a ranking system that is based on quest points, and we will still encourage questing in conjunction with our chief focus of playing ironman accounts.
We’re aware that there might be potential negatives to splitting membership of ironmans from the RS3 guild. Because of the ability to guest, we find the potential negative to be far outweighed by the benefits we see, and the simple ability for our unique community to better organize. Moving the small number of ironman accounts out of the cc Clan Quest, frees up spaces in game for the RS3 guild’s channel, ensuring that a sweep will not be immediately needed. (CC Clan Quest is approaching 500 members. Adding new members will require kicking people to free up slots. This approach allows alt accounts to move to another clan in game, while still keeping the community whole).
Creating this new guild means we will create a new clan chat.
We are incredibly excited to create a new guild!
|Additional Members not included in founding 5?:||Iskh|
AYE- Shiro shana 09:58, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Idiotonastic 10:06, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Vss 10:11, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Iskh 10:17, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Santaends 10:19, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Derparnieux 10:26, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Diapolo10 11:02, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Diana 11:25, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Earendil20 11:50, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Nayfaan 11:59, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Cortey 12:05, 28 May 2020 (CDT) - Ironmen are typically created as secondary accounts. I feel that having an ironman clan would give more efficient access to support for ironmen related content, especially for new ironmen. My vote is in assumption that although this clan is geared toward ironmen, ironmen accounts may still freely join Clan Quest if they wish.
AYE- Kinksy 12:12, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- The skeezer 12:24, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Ytse 12:26, 28 May 2020 (CDT) People are free to make another chat channel if they want. I don't see the need and won't participate, but hey, that's your prerogative! I also see this as considerably less divisive than clan members joining separate iron-exclusive clans on their alternate accounts in search of PVM buddies. I'd prefer to keep us all in one happy CQ family.
AYE- N ub cake 12:27, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Pony picker 12:27, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Robbe 12:43, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Questcaping 13:34, 28 May 2020 (CDT) Had to do a lot of thinking on what I thought about this, and was even tempted to abstain. I can think of a lot of negatives -- weirdness in administration, for instance, under the assumption that everyone here is gonna keep on guesting in the "main" clan chat. Can foresee the Iron and main RS Guild/Honour Councillors having to work very closely together, for sure, and I can't imagine the split being anything but counterproductive on that front. This also effectively monopolises the guest clan chat use of people who play primarily on irons. And I can't imagine new members wanting to join Iron Quest over Clan Quest -- it looks like it'll be a guild formed primarily of alts, with little to no unique members, having it always feel like a "secondary" guild. I do appreciate the solution to the 500 member problem, though, especially one that works without sweeps of people who still might return. Ultimately, I wanted to spell out my hesitations, but I'm voting AYE instead of NAY or abstaining because I think if the irons in this clan thinks this works and is worthwhile for them, then I trust that judgement and want to encourage that self-determination. All the best to you!
AYE- Ilikeslayer 13:36, 28 May 2020 (CDT) While I agree with many of the NAY voters that it feels counter-intuitive to split our lovely community, it also makes sense to provide a dedicated space for those clan-members playing IM and HCIM, especially if they ask for it.
AYE- Choto 3000 14:32, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
"This voter has no particular opinion but has been swayed by the diplomacy of other voters"
Thank you, CK2. Now,I highly agree with both yes and no, I see reasons as to why or why not, but the argument that "ironmen would choose us instead of another clan" is pretty strong. I agree that cleaning our roster is easier if we are worried about our 500 limit, but this is different than just reaching a limit. I can't say I'll participate with my Ironman account, but I don't ser the harm on volunteers trying to find a solution to Ironmen problems.
And, if it doesn't work, we can always call Earth and his BANHAMMER, just for fun.
AYE- Shane 16:57, 28 May 2020 (CDT) I am voting yes after having been convinced. Shiro and I have put together four areas of collaboration between RS3 and RS3-iron. They are: advertising the others guilds, encouraging members to guest (if possible), cross collaboration between events, and a shared #rs3-general discord channel.
AYE- Vi nightshade 20:30, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Iidefend 00:37, 29 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Cyan r 04:59, 29 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Officerluke 06:55, 30 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Evilphan 17:53, 30 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Tztokrex 16:39, 31 May 2020 (CDT)
AYE- Tztokrex 16:40, 31 May 2020 (CDT)
NAY- Cireon 10:47, 28 May 2020 (CDT) I don't see why the benefits couldn't be obtained through a simpler solution that doesn't involve splitting our community.
NAY- Hemsky 10:52, 28 May 2020 (CDT) Second Cireon's opinion that there is a simpler solution somewhere. I like the enthusiasm and support around our ironman group though!
NAY- Wolffi 11:16, 28 May 2020 (CDT) Don't need a separate guild for the same game
NAY- Dawn 11:31, 28 May 2020 (CDT) I agree with the above, I don't think its a good idea for us to be splitting the same playerbase between guilds, you would cause confusion on what guild people should be in, potentially making our ironman players feel segregated from the rest of the guild or make them feel like they should not be there, especially if they want the activity and an ironman is their main account.
I echo cireon in saying there are likely simpler routes to go down here.
NAY- Earth 12:15, 28 May 2020 (CDT) There are far better ways to do this within the current guild without splitting the playerbase. If us getting close to the 500 member limit is the primary issue, we can purge inactives. This isn't the first time we've approached 500 members, and isn't the first time we've done a purge.
NAY- Thaxy 12:18, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
NAY- Francine1225 14:49, 28 May 2020 (CDT) I agree more with the comments from those who also said nay. I read through the application and all the comments.
NAY- Pop o 19:30, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
NAY- Xenon ray 22:47, 28 May 2020 (CDT)
NAY- Kebabthief 07:32, 29 May 2020 (CDT)
NAY- Vyrexix 20:45, 29 May 2020 (CDT) I feel like there are better alternatives to organizing ironman content than splitting our community. E.g. IronMan discord channel or friendschat
NAY- Tyco elf 04:21, 31 May 2020 (CDT) I see both sides and have thought about it for 2 days, but in the end I don't feel comfortable with this. Even after how much I would love to give support and resources to clannies with spirit and determination.
NAY- Perforo 08:43, 31 May 2020 (CDT)